EQDiva

Is there really such a thing as 'The Perfect Group'? I was sitting in PoValor LFG and never got one (course 13 peeps were in the zone.....) so figure I'd just make my own. So I had a Druid, Shaman, Mage, Wizzy, and Myself. So i look around for a Tank and i see a 65 War LFG. I'm thining 'cool' and send the guy a tell. He responds 'what classes?' so, like any good Luclinian, i tell him. He said, 'you have no cleric? I think ill pass' :cry: Now we had a CHing Druid and a Shammy so i figured they could prolly cooperate on the heals. But alas, this guy was wanting the Perfect Group. I admit, a perfect grp may exist. But i cant MAKE a certan class of a certain level LFG. Personally, id join any grp regardless of the classes already in that Group, i want to kill stuff...i dont care how really. Just get the EXP any way we can. 8) --Arr

It was a pickup group and there are too many horror stories out there about druid healers who go OOM and Shammies who say they aren't healers. The warrior was probably just deciding that rather than make a run with this group, which might have two good healers, he'd wait for one with a cleric. Also he might have wanted rez capability in the group.

Also depends on the zone and the equipment/AAs of the group members. Some zones require way more of a balanced group than other zones.

The Rez capability i can understand, but he could always ask the zone/guild/friends for a rez. By the time you are in your 60s, 50-100 platinum for a rez is almost nuthin. (prices may vary server to server) And with AAs, well...nuthin i can say about that except if someone wont grp because to dont have Run3 or something, then thats just wrong =) --Arr

Believe me, when I played I would not take a low AA tank into certain zones.. or do certain zones without a Cleric. There is a huge difference from zone to zone when it comes to what kind of group you need.

Deoressing thing is if it was Valor i wouldnt be looking at a warrior for the perfect group. It doesnt need the raw hps only a warrior could supply so he may have been looking for that 'perfect group' but in that zone he wouldnt be in it.

I was going to make a new post about this, but here it is already: 'The Perfect Topic' for this post! I've found that, at a certain time of day, there are a lot of lurkers who are looking for a group, but aren't /lfg. This is a pain in the butt when you are trying to build a group for an LDoN in off-peak times, and is part of the reason they are just lurking -- they don't want to commit to a group until they know it's almost good to go. They especially don't want to commit to a group that doesn't have [insert particular class or capability here]. However, once a group starts to build and you only have a couple of slots left, tells often come thick and fast (if your group is LFP). I was in a situation the other day where it took about an hour to get a group together, but I had to reject 3 or 4 people in the last 5 minutes. This is just ridiculous, IMHO, because we could have been away in a third the time if I'd got those tells early on! And, it gets a lot worse than that. So, lurkers: STOP BLOODY LURKING! You're making it dull for the rest of us. :)

My regular LDON group has not cleric -- one druid, one shaman, one mage, one wizard, one warrior, and me. We do hard level LDONs all the time, no problem. But honestly, some people can' conceive of doing anything remotely difficult without a cleric and you are probably better off without them.

I did hard LDoN without Cleric (although prefered to have one for sure). I would not have done our usual exp spot in Plane of Water without Cleric though. Those mobs made hard LDoN mobs seem like toys.

The problem is that a 65 Warrior was in PoV..... Kinda sums him up right there

I have been in groups on the short end of the OOM healing Druid or shaman. That said I would have given it a go because it beats the heck out of sitting doing nothing.

There's nothing wrong with druid's healing. There wasn't anything wrong with it even before they added CH for druids. I've been in PoV groups with druid healers, I've been in very successful groups with druid healers since I started playing EQ. If the druid says LoM, then you don't pull another critter for a little while. Slow exp is better than No exp.

I agree that Druids can make good healers but just like all Bards are not good Bards some Druids dont take their healing responsabilities serioiusly. In a pickup group (I dont know the toons) that has either a Shaman or Druid as the main healer I am very wary. On more than one occasion the Druid/Shaman would do their Druid/Shaman thing first and heal as a second role - even though they understood that healing was their role - this would leave them OOM at in opportune times. Also I have found that post 50s a fair number of the alternate healer types are not used to being the primary healer. That said I would still join the group and give the folks the benefit of the doubt. If the healer couldnt hack it the group would break up and there would be nothing lost. If it worked then hey exp and new friends.

Ive had several exelent ghetto groups with druids and shammys as healers. Hell even in BoT ive been able to go without a healer entirely if the DPS is good enough. (mage/enc) But the fact remains, without a cleric, no rezzes. Primarily though, 1/20 groups without clerics dont work out as well as they could with one. Thinking that the warrior was looking for the "perfect group" by merely asking for a cleric is a little off. A cleric past 60, and even before, is truely the standard for every group; and anything below is less. P.S. I dinged 65 in PoV, had some of my best xp ever there. Also some of the top guilds on my server have members that group regulary there to avoid BoT traffic and still load up on xp.

My favorite grp is a regular group I have in the evenings: shaman, shaman, necro, pally, me, and "pity slot" (can be filled with whatever other friend happens to be on, or a lowbie guildie needing some love or a random person). <3 the group! I admit I cheat a little and log on my cleric to hov the grp and then the pally gets me with his ldon "aego" spell...but in a pinch we could all make do with his aego (and have on a few occasions). We crank out normal LDONs in 25-40mins. I usually prefer a tank for the other slot so i can pull 4 at a time (pally MA, tank OT, shaman OT2, me mezzer on the 4th). So yeah..clerics..bah. :p