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Found here [url]http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Live&message.id=2847[/url] Just wanted to drop a quick note: The bard epic will be upgraded to a 24/22 weapon next patch. Please keep in mind that all of the epic 1.5s were tuned around Plane of Time quality weapons, so the bard 1.5 weapon is supposed to be similar to the Songblade in terms of damage, stats, and resists. Also, keep up the feedback. While I can't promise any changes, I will say that we've all been keeping tabs on all of the epic discussions on the live boards, as well as the other class boards. We're jotting down notes and we'll make adjustments when necessary, to make these weapons balanced and fun for all classes. Thanks guys, -Zajeer ___________________________________________________ Maybe they'll tune down the difficulty some too so those of us from smaller guilds will be able to get most of this done without needing so many medium / large raid forces.

No, its "epic" and I stress the word, you're supposed to have one big raid in that ( which is the second DN one). the 1.0 is yearso ld which is why you can complete it so easily, it wasn't like that. I remember a time where I had to take my guild to fight gorenaire which was considered impossible at the time ;)

I must agree with Kinuvan. I think people forget how hard the 1.0 epic fights were when they were originally created. Max player character level was 60 and killing Gore and Trak were not easy when the 1.0 epics came out. These were major raid mobs vs after people became level 65+ with AAs and are now one-two groupable. All epics required a raid, or a few raids to complete. While I wish that the epic events were more balanced between the different classes, I do feel that epics should be somewhat difficult to obtain, hence the reward and status of having them. Yes it is going to be hard for me to persuade guildmates to get together for epic raids on the few days when guild has off nights to help me get my epic.. but i'm going to work towards it and i'll get it eventually. :) /smile.. my .02

At the time epic was the BEST weapon you could have. Now.. you can have better weapons than epic 1.5 (for bard that is). Since we need ele flag, alot of people to help us for the kills,etc... we should put all that time in GoW,OoW and get better equipment. The fact that the epic 1.5 was suppose to be for the casual player.. is now for"semi-hardcore" player, who have lots of friends and lots of free time. At least.. we are getting new dmg/dlay... 21/21 was sucking when you see necros or shammy epic. I have been playing this same char for almost 5 years now.. and all I saw was bards getting less fun to play each expansion... =/ Anyway...

Hey all, a new member here at EQDiva. just wanted to add my 2 cents to the epic 1.5 issue...its been bugging me a lot. Essentially I wouldn't mind the 1.5 how it is, with DN and all...IF, and thats a big IF, the other epics were balanced with it and had the same difficulty... how i see it...SoE is like a teacher...the teacher gives everyone or some kids 5 math questions to do...then picks just a few to do 25 math questions, and others to do 50...why? god only knows. Plain and simple its not fair...there is NO reason for some people to be able to solo/duo there epic in a matter of days, and others to have to monopolize they're entire guilds in many cases (such as me) to complete just the first 2 steps. its just not *fair* and unfairness bothers me to no extent, in any aspect of life. I pay just as much as the next guy, and yet have to struggle 10x as hard for an equivalent item...i was hoping...HOPING against all hope that for once i could get a nice item...(for me wielding a soulpiercer and epic 1.0, 1.5 is an uber as all hell item), that would be attainable with what i could acquire...i got my 1.0 back in the day when i was still playing mass amounts of time, and had the uber guild to be able to complete it when it was still extremely hard to do so. over the years my play time has dwindled, and i've become a bit more casual. and its been a while since i've been able to be considered as "uber" as i used to be in my hay day lol. so its been a while since i got something really nice, and this would honestly be that one thing that would make so many casual people happy...make them feel a bit more upper tier, and have more motivation to keep playing and advancing. I'm not saying it should be so easy for 1.5, but my view on 1.5 would be for that casual player...so there would be quite a few of them on the servers...theres already 150 shammy/bst/necro ones already...2.0 would be the REAL status symbol, but let us little guys have our little toy without having to wait til guild + bribing other people to come help. however...IF other epics were in line i wouldn't complain at all...however i don't believe in making other peoples things harder to be in line with ours and some of the other harder ones, because its not fair to those who have not yet done it, and have to do more work than a necro/bst/shammy that chose to start a bit earlier...so why not take out the DN step of ours, or make it 1-2 groupable...i don't see it as unbalancing the game. what really boils my blood is the unfairness part though to tell you the truth...theres no reasonable explanation. however i would like to extend a huge thank you to Kinuvan and grats, as well as to all those bards who also helped in completing the quest and jotting down the notes for the rest of us to read and cry about ;) please SoE! thank you for your time. ---- http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=595462

I have to agree with the above poster. Sure its sipposed to be epic. Sure ours is sort of epic. But in comparison to other classes, it is just so much more epic, thats its not quite right.

We aren't the luckiest of the bunch arent we. The question I want to ask is, why is the bard epic have to be so raid oriented.

I think you should all be thankful you're not rangers. IMO, SOE tuned these encounters to reflect THEIR view of each class. They view Necros as the ultimate solo class, so they made that epic in tune with their skills...and you DO have to be a good Necro to solo those encounters. SOE, no matter how you want to bitch and moan about it, considers us a utility class, so they made our epic require small forces. That's the fact, so you might as well deal with it. You are not [b]forced[/b] to do the quest and it definitely should not be easy. I've been helping with the mage epic, and they've had to do four small raids thus far...if you don't have a Tactics flag, no mage 1.5 epic for you. Look at rogues, their 1.5 epic requires a tradeskill! I'll take a raid over a tradeskill any damn day. I think many of you have been spoiled by lvls and AAs because like it's been said, the original epic was hard...just like this one is.

After thinking about it, the events are probably fine and epic in proportion. I don't even view the epic as undoable by all means. When I think about what's gonna suck about doing the epic is actually dragging people out there to do it. What would improve the DN raid would be incentive to the guildies/friends or whoever is helping you out. Maybe put one of those chests that pop up with 2 pieces of loot (elemental quality or just slightly better ). Or some sort of reward for having to drag them out for a full raid. It would make more sense to have the loot show up on this raid than on the metala fight.

Agree with above poster. Give a loot table that has the guild wanting to snag this mob for the loot, and our epic piece is a side bonus of the fight. That would be the only way to lure 30 people top go for many players. Moose

I tend to fall in line with otheres here. I give Sony props for recognizing that an epic 1.5 with lower DPS than a few Elemental Plane weapons was not exactly "epic." Fixing the dmg/dly ratio is the first step. Now, the quest needs to be made roughly equal in difficulty to the other classes' epics.

What would improve the DN raid would be incentive to the guildies/friends or whoever is helping you out

If your friends need incentive to help you out, they aren't your friends.

If you are in a raiding guild you do nothing but help the guild out. There isn't a lot of time for selfish pursuits. When you ask 30+ folks to drag themselves to this armpit zone, its time they aren't working on their epics or leveling to 70 or grinding out those critical aas or playing an alt to alleviate burnout. My guild has begun epic nights where we get dkp to do a series of large epic fights. The raids are non-mandatory. We did 6 or so last night in a variety of zones. People felt good helping their friends but also felt they were rewarded. I was in a family guild a while ago and all i felt i ever did was help people with their epics. I wouldn't miss someones epic fight but after doing it for a year I was seriously burned out. Its what made me seek out a raiding guild. I am sure the folks in raiding guilds have similar experiences.

Yeah, having a guild is fun.. but when you are un-guilded like me.. what do you do? I dont want to go back in a familly guild (its really fun.. but you dont raid anything) and I may not have enough time to put in a raid guild. What should I do? Start a necro so I can have fun in the game? Yes, bards arent a solo class. Yes, we are a class who helps and entire group/raid. BUT, they should have done quest where we needed our skills (forage, pick lock,etc) or even some illusion (with DE mask or anything) Giving us only raid mobs to kill is just stupid. They should have put more mobs for 2-3 groups of lvl 65 with a few AA's. That would have been fair with all the soloable epic 1.5. Btw in december its gonna be my 5 year playing Mulluwen Singalong. He reached lvl 65 a couple weeks ago and I got my epic 1 month ago. I'm now lvl 66 with 20 aa's. Alot of my friends are in that lvl and aa range. How many people do we need to just kill the 4 dragons? 50 people of lvl 65 with a few aas?? that aint for casual player. =/

They need to up the mod to 2.5 for 1.5 and 2.0 should be 3.0 minimum.