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BTW Treeb you have only 400 hp less than I do, and about 50 ac more, and I can do it without DA. This is assuming your magelo is up to date ;) . I think a big trick to remember is that you can use selos to skip mobs via their agro range. I don't touch the statues and they only agro me once furry starts dragging his arse past them. Kirins do occasionally but it's usually no biggy. Umm, I know when I skip the statues I am hugging the right wall / left wall HARD, and then center myself to agro furry. Some times I even type out "/target furious" before I start running, except this only works when I'm in a bold mood and go in deeper than I should. Fun Fact: If you can get furry targetted, you can bellow him through the doors!

I think a big trick to remember is that you can use selos to skip mobs via their agro range. I don't touch the statues and they only agro me once furry starts dragging his arse past them. Kirins do occasionally but it's usually no biggy. Umm, I know when I skip the statues I am hugging the right wall / left wall HARD, and then center myself to agro furry. Some times I even type out "/target furious" before I start running, except this only works when I'm in a bold mood and go in deeper than I should. Fun Fact: If you can get furry targetted, you can bellow him through the doors!

Good tips there! Let me try them and see how it goes! I'd [b]really[/b] like to be able to do this without DA song. It's been fun and challenging trying to do this whole thing. *grin* :D

Hrm.. I can almost get it without DA, its tough though and requites timing ticks to run past the mobs. Usually I run past the 2 sents, open the doors quick and click a target furious hotkey, bellow him and hightail it back. Usually the doors stay open, usually. If they don't I generally run into a problem.

A lot of what I'm reading here can be simplified by the eye of zomm helm. I usually just pull the 2 sentries at the back of the T use the eye to get a target on everything in his room lull it all going from back to front then bellow the furious. 9 times out of 10 he'll come single. When he doesn't I just mez those on the path and have the furious following me, then of course fade whatever I've mezzed off. If theres too many or I get unlucky with mez resists just get some room and fade. Most of the time the furious will path farther in one direction or the other in the hallway, and the other mobs just go back to their spawn points.

So no one's answered my previous question so I'll ask it again, any one know how to single pull it to ent w/o clearing trash besides having an SK or necro FD + snare? That rascal keeps warping the second he's single taggable, grrr!

My experience (updated) mirrors Scorpx's. I'm "batting .500" (maybe slightly better) on doing this without DA song. I'm having an [b]outstanding[/b] time trying, though! :) It seems that the three problems I run into that cause me to fail now ([b]just[/b] the times I fail, though, I can actually succeed at least 50% of the time now) are: 1. Server tick aggro while running past statues at "T" intersection (even while hugging the wall). 2. One or both of the Kirins in the small foyer outside Furious room are melee-types. If they are caster Kirins, they are actually not a big deal since I usually have PoV up and they will just sit there and try to land spells on me. It's the melee ones that launch right at you, which leads me into the third problem... 3. Stunned. If one of the Kirins is a melee and starts pounding on me immediately, occasionally I get stunned. If stunned with both kirins and the entire Furious room aggroed, Treeble usually gets eaten! :o I'm getting more used to the "feel" of doing it successfully though. I think I may actually continue to get better at it with practice. Yesterday, I was pulling Creator for a pickup group, and I had just pulled the 3 defuncts outside (I like keeping everybody outside for the defunct pull because I can stagger their arrival by mezzing 2 in the hallway (some cloth classes in pickup groups can get one-rounded if all 3 arrive at once). Anyway, I pulled the 3 defuncts and the panther at the top of the ramp at second corner toward Furious, and scouted ahead to decide whether to bring group inside. I saw that the Drake and the single statue right outside the "T" interstion had not spawned. Great! Somebody in group said, "Want us to come inside?". I said, "Nope, Furious next...I'll bring him out to you.". Luckily, I got him single in quick order (2 Fades) and didn't have to eat my words. The group was [b]very[/b] happy (if somewhat confused about how Furious came so quickly after defuncts). :D It was awesome fun! :)

So no one's answered my previous question so I'll ask it again, any one know how to single pull it to ent w/o clearing trash besides having an SK or necro FD + snare?

Sometimes I'll get a pather between me an my group on a pull. I have successfully PAC'd (LULLED) the pather and run past him (have to get lucky on server tick to avoid frenzy aggro when I run past him). I'm using 66 LULL though because I'm trying to ween myself off the 61 LULL. Anyway, that's worked for singles, but I doubt it will be a good strat for multiples. Simply put, I doubt I could survive much pounding trying to pull Furious past everything around him [b]PLUS[/b] all the mobs that weren't cleared in the first part of the building. THere's just a certain amount that will have to be pulled and killed, I'm thinking. I'll just be happy if I can routinely get him single past the 11(ish) mobs at "T" intersection and beyond. :) EDIT: Maybe a combo of Bard and Necro/SK, but the amount of time it would take to do it would equal the amount of time to just simply kill 8(ish) mobs anyway. At least that's the way it seems to me. :p

I've gotten it to the entrance numerous times but it always warped back to ent before I could get it all by its lonesome. Also, please, stop using the 'I don't raid' as an excuse for not being able to take hits. As stated earlier, I have 400 hp more than you and most mobs don't even take that into consideration in Creator runs, so that excuse doesn't hold water to me :p . If you don't have many defensive aa's, that might it explain it though :). EDIT: And I just looked it up, and you have more defensives than I do :blush: . . So no excuses!

Update: I'm still batting about .500 on getting him past the mobs already in his room, [b]plus[/b] the two kirins, [b]plus[/b] the two statues at the "T". Without DA song, it's still a very dangerous endeavor for me. With DA song, it's a cinch. Without DA song, and if I clear the 2 statues ( at "T" ) first, it's a cinch. Being in an unslowed state like they are, any two of the mobs (usually the 2 kirins and/or the two statues at "T" ) can usually one-round me or [b]very nearly[/b] one round me. Depending on if Furious has to be baby-sat past getting hung on door-frame geometry, they (2-4 mobs) are gaining free hits on me at this point in the pull. Two rounds (at [b]most[/b]) is all I can survive. I'm not exhaggerating this point at all. It's what is happening to me. I don't believe I'm doing anything differently than you are (at least based upon what I'm reading in your posts), it just appears I get owned faster than you. :p I usually have Conviction and sometimes Brell's. Maybe some MISC buffs. Generally, almost 1700 AC buffed and 8000+ HPs buffed. *Shrug* Search me. I guess the obvious conclusion is (if all other things are equal) that you pull this particular encounter better than I do. :p EDIT: Like I said above, though, I [b]can[/b] do it about 50% of the time, and it's wicked fun when I do! :) If, in the future, my group is in a hurry to crank these out, though, I'll probably just pull the 2 statues ( at "T" ) and be done with them (this will guarantee my being able to pull Furious single back to the group).

Hmm, you baby sit the furry? I don't. If it's stuck, you can run a fair amount backwards towards that puma, snap out a fade, run past them and tag the furious stuck on geometry while the others are out of assist range... Maybe that's why? :p

Treeble, I seem to be doing it the same as you and I can get it without DA. Just requires quick clicks. I wait for a server tick and run in and bellow the furious quickly. About after bellow hits, I agro some kirins and back up, and end up agroing the sents. Usually I only get taken down to 60-70%. Haul ass outta there down the hall way. For some reason a few times Furious runs pretty fast, faster then the kirins in fact. Maybe cause they are waiting to cast.. I dunno. I don't really look at their names. When furious is down the hallway, I mez him, fade and he tends to be ahead of the pack half the time.The other half just wait for a few to wander back and retag him. Any adds and mez, fade, retag. Most amount of fades I've ever used doing this without DA is 4. My current record is 4-5 without da, and 6-2 with DA. 2 Deaths was cause I was still a bit new to it.

Just to make sure we are all on the same page, we are all talking about the 40 crystal version of the mission (average group level 68+), right? It would make some tactical difference in this conversation. One difference, tactically speaking, is that some statues in the 40 crystal version can AE stun. I don't ever recall them doing so in the 37 crystal version of the mission. I did 8 creator missions this weekend. Eventually, I was successful at this pull on all eight missions, but I did have three deaths total. All three deaths were due to stuns. Two of the stuns were garden variety melee stuns. The third stun came from an AE stun from a statue at "T" intersection as I aggroed him backing up toward him (after bellow-aggroing Furious and his buddies). If Furious and his cronies converge on me while I am stunned, it's usually all over. I did watch closesly (and also studied my logs later). I am able to take hits decently enough, but my main danger seems to be the susceptablility to being stunned. Sometimes, even though I believe I am being [b]very[/b] careful to hug the wall past the two statues, I suspect I am aggroing them anyway and maybe they melee-stun me from behind when I'm in Kirin foyer. That idea just came to me...I can't say for sure whether it happens or not (I'm always pointed toward Furious in first person view) and I didn't think to look for that at the time I was looking at my logs. I'm not misunderstanding, right? I mean y'all [b]are[/b] actually getting hit, right? Getting stunned much? Been AE stunned by any of the statues at "T" intersection (like I have)? Even though I can do this pull as described (at least [b]most[/b] of the time now), it seems [b]far[/b] more efficient (to me) to pull the two statues at "T" intersection back to the group to be killed first. After that, there is virtually no risk of death even pulling Furious past his in-room cronies and the two Kirins. BTW, just as y'all suggested, I had [b]much[/b] better luck mezzing Furious [b]first[/b] and subsequently fading and waiting for adds to path back past him. I usually only have to PAC one or two mobs in his vacinity before re-bellowing him again. One Fade is usually good enough. Two maximum (lately).

Yea, we're on the same page here. I run past them during a server tick. During that same tick I can usually get the furious bellowed. I do get hit by the T sents, and I don't get stunned by that AE thing. I know what you mean though, the message is "Soanso is hit by a kick" or something. I'm not sure what is different here *shrugs*. I keep group around the door opening to garden. Bellow furious, run him back, mez him and fade his friends. They path, lull whatever is left, and re-bellow or tag with HoS. I usually also HoS Furious on the run back and mez him to ensure mez lands. Generally I just do 2 fades since I'm lazy/over cautious. Sometimes 1, depends on how many mobs. Its usually easier to rebellow, remez, and refade.

I'm not sure what is different here *shrugs*.

The difference is most likely that I am not very good about timing the server tick. :p I usually refresh selos and start PoV right before slipping past the statues at "T" intersection. I judge server tick as when PoV pulses ("Crystalline scales gather around you" message pulses). If my timing is off, I could be getting hit more because of it.

I think thats where you're doing it differently. I judge my server tick by when my buffs tick down. I think thats a more accurate way. Once that happens I head in and do it.