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  • 01-21-2004 5:56 PM In reply to

    • Sinfonian
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    For sure Steppy, and I started just about the time Kunark came out so I'm nowhere near old. Though I remember the exicitement of checking out a new zone, staying on the wall only to find they put mobs on the walls so you couldn't do that, then trying to find my corpse because I didn't get out /loc in time, then find a cleric to rez me for all that I had in my bank (100pp or something like that) or more often then not just eat the exp (it was before Palidins got rez). Nowadays, it's not the same, even with new content, for now that Sinf has Fading Memories to add to his repetoire, there are few places he can't escape. Sure the game is fun now, but for entirely different reasons. It's more goal oriented IMHO, getting to a new zone, getting that next dozen AAs, getting that one more piece of gear, grinding out another 20 LDoN groups for that BP you wanted... Nothing good or bad, it's just different, and IMHO, those days Steppy spoke of are gone forever. Maybe in EQ2, though I don't plan on playing until they let me move Sinf there (never happen, would defeat the purpose even if the coding made it possible). /shrug Sinfonian Sinfonian
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  • 01-22-2004 12:55 AM In reply to

    • Piemur
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    What more is there to say on the subject? I love to think of the old days myself, and I still proudly hold onto my nostrolo tambourine and flameweaver mace because I think they're private tokens of accomplishment and are thus more valuable than gear bought with mountains of platinum. Do I still use them? Heck no! (unless I'm on a cr, then I use the tambourine) Still, they will take up spots in my bank along with a few other miscellaneous items until the day that my account is gone. The way I see it, we should never forget the past but we should still try to embrace the future. As far as getting uber gear off the bat and PL'ing to your 60's in no time flat goes, it's like using cheat codes on another video game; it can be a bit of a rush and all, but you miss a lot and you tend to get bored faster. Just my 2cp. ~Piemur Notebender Punk Rocker of 62 Power Chords
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  • 01-23-2004 7:38 AM In reply to

    • Filohuh
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    Awww, don't be hatin steppy!!! You rock dude!!! hehe...Piemur, you, Steppy, and everyone else really did hit the point on the head...going straight to uber gear does take some of the "sitting on the edge of my seat fighting this lvl 3 skeleton that is winning against my lvl 2 bard....Ohhh...someone help me please!!! Don't let me DIE!!!! AUGHHHHH....WOOT!!! DING 3!!! hahah' moments. lol. I started with my bard, went to lvl 34 without any purchases in the bazaar (well, bazaar wasn't in place yet...but from traders in Freeport), only had what I farmed and what others gave me. Guild didn't believe in PL either, or twinking, so I had the hard road like other had, just like you guys. I am new relatively speaking to the game, but I've lived the hard walk, and now that Filo is over 40 I have the luxury of working the bazaar like a bandit. I've made, upgraded, and resold over 100k in gear in the last 2 or 3 months, so my alts (34 Druid Filotopia, 18 Shaman Filotribe, 12 Necro Filozap, 10 Monk Filofists, 4 Paladin Filohottie...wifes account...yay, she's finally playing!!! and of course..., 1 Warrior Filotank...who is so uber, it would make you so mad to see what he's got on and has NEVER seen a fight!!! lol) are getting uber items for their levels, but I have earned them. I know what it takes to long haul develop a character, and with the others, I'd rather focus on getting into mid to high level groups faster than taking the long hard road of denial and scraping crumbs together. I don't believe a lvl 10 needs his epic, but to me, you really don't miss anything after doing it the slow way first, with twinking your alts later. Maybe I'm the lone believer in work smarter not harder? Or maybe it's just that getting a Kitchen Pass to play is the rarest drop for me to find these days...lol. I need to make the most of every spare minute I am able to play. sigh... Fil
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  • 01-23-2004 7:42 AM In reply to

    • Filohuh
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    Just to follow up this post, I have taken the challenge and started a new bard (Filodiva) on Tribunal Server. I will only play her an hour a day, and with the exception of an instrument or 2, and maybe a weapon from friendly passerby's, I will work her the best I can for the time I have to play, no twinking, no PLing, nothing but my personal Twist and Shout. I will not ask for help, and I won't even do the tradeskills to slow my play time down, and will love to share with you my progress from time to time. Sound fair? One question...with me looting and getting plat eventually, what can I do with it? Am I allowed to buy from NPC merchants? Just dont' know if I've ever gone that far into the abyss...gulp.... Filo ps This is for you steppy, I'm gonna eat my words...lol...and for the ole timers. We should all start one on a new server, where no one knows us,...and do it from scratch. Let's stop talkin about it and take the STEPPY CHALLENGE...hehe...
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  • 01-23-2004 10:57 AM In reply to

    • Manizeh
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    Hi All! The element of surprise is long gone from EQ... there is no way around it. People make Dark Elves nowadays because of the looks (as yesterday), but without dying 10 times because Invisibility dropped at the wrong time (the other 9 deaths being Corpse Recovery ones). I remeber hunting in Oasis because experience was good and I never went thirsty or hungry in the desert, oddly enough. I also remeber doing my first massive Crowd Control in Orc Highway with my chantie (main), which nowadays is forever long gone, you are lucky to find another player in zones with mobs level 30 and lower. Most new characters are alts, only very few new characters are true noobs. And even so, with Bazaar prices and people spending 1K pp as it it were 1pp, it is easier (cheaper) for a true noob to get his/her hands on good equipment (which doesn't make Bazaar wrong, what was wrong was spending 400pp on a ring with +5 AGI at torch 1 in EC). Whether, they choose the farming avenue to get the items easier or the questing avenue is up to them. And with the quest system being pretty much worthless, their choice is easy, why bother with questing, just level yourself as fast as possible to be able to solo mobs that drop diamonds till you can afford that Bazaar item. And what has SoE done? They have paved the way for the race-to-level-65 with new port systems that trivializes race faction and adventuring thru zones, LDoN with a point reward system that pushes everyone to get 65 so they get 51 points per win instead of 20, not fixing the quest system so there is an alternative to power-leveling camping the same mob over and over till you ding yourself out of the zone, etc. I started my main (chantie) before Bazaar came out, raised my tailoring skill so I could craft raw silk items for myself for that extra +1 AC. Killed green orcs at hometown so I could afford most of my level 8/12 spells (didn't know about rat tails selling for 1pp each back then), raised my bind wound skill healing myself to 50% while waiting for my mana to go up in Oasis (South Karana) when soloing. Recruited help for a corpse recovery at level 12 cause I ventured into Kitchicor Forest at night on my way to HHK to get my pet spells, thinking I was safe with regular INV on. Worked on my Fishing and Sense Heading skill while waiting for the Boat to Freeport,etc. In all, all those little things made the game fun, and now are pretty much gone from the game. On the other hand, my alts had it easy, money was available to buy spells and twinking as needed. My chantie INT was 160+ at level 49 while my Erudite Necro started with 200 INT at level 1. Yet, my necro or any of my alts have explored their potential with each new batch of spells and skills for either solo or group. But, it sure has been a more dull level-up time than with my chantie when everything was new sort-of-speak. IMO SoE chose the dull road, they just made sure everyone gets to level 65. Hence, SoE has only offered the level 65 characters reasons not to quit playing EQ, instead of fixing the quest system (see LDoN, PoP, more AAs coming with Gates of Discord, etc...). The day SoE revamps the quest system so it is fun to start an alt to go questing, so people start leveling thru questing instead of killing the same mob over and over, that would be the day this game will be EverQuest instead of NeverQuest. Quests that are one group doable and can be done in a reasonable amount of time or else continued with different groups (no matter where at is everyone on that particular quest), quests that offer decent items for the players level range, so that questing for them is desirable. SoE can also do this thru trigering as well (either by killing a Quillmane type mob in a particular zone trigering whatever else, or have some kind of NPCs vs. NPCs event - like dworfs vs Ice Gaints at Ry'Gorr Fort - where people can join whichever side by talking to whoever NPC before event starts and accomplish something if their side wins, etc). Better yet, make "smart" mobs... mobs that go in packs of 3 to , with same toon and name but different classes (you don't know which mob is what class till fight started), so that when a group tackles a set of mobs and one mob happens to be a chantie or bard class, have the mezzer mob mez the cleric when the first big heal lands, or mez the chantie player when the 1st mez lands on mob, or mez the shammy player when the first slow lands, the same way agro changes when a player HPs gets under 25%. Have rogue mobs placing themselves behind of tank for Backstabbing so that offtanking or mez is needed, have zones with mobs roaming with INV on, or have caster mobs go INV after casting the nuke/debuff on player, etc... That would make fighting mobs fun, even in old zones... heck, I would make an alt just to encounter the mobs that wander INVed... LOL. Otherwise, EQ = > You have slained Mob_01! > You have gained partial experience! > Congratulations! You have gained another AA point you don't know what to do with! > Your faction with Mob_01 cannot get any worst! > /g Woot! AA Ding 300! Pull 50,000 more Mob_01, I want to ding 400 AAs before next expansion comes up! ------------------------------------------------------------ > A Microsoft scowls at you ready to attack! What would you like your error message to say?
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  • 02-03-2004 12:16 AM In reply to

    • Alidore
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    Anyone remember learning language skills on the FP to BB boat 8)
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  • 02-13-2004 7:38 AM In reply to

    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    Ok, since this thread has been totally jacked, i will add my memory. The boats. I hated the boats as a tremendous waste of time. BUT.....one day, in a little odd glitch, my husband fell off the boat. OMG. It was hysterical. It took 2 hours of swimming to get to land. We laughed so hard, after it was over of course. I did quest the tambourine long ago. And i used it for a good while. Still banked as a spare. There is something to be said for working your way up the ladder of better equipment. What I look forward to is the new experience of having a new item. If you get a TDoK at level 1, its a looooong time to upgrade. And, questing makes the game fun for me. So the tambourine was an achievement. Was actually difficult for me to get then, and I learned to hate Kaesora with a passion. hehe. Enjoy the game.:). Duyena 65th Bard of Karana
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  • 03-11-2004 8:19 AM In reply to

    • Filohuh
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    Well, I did as I said below. I have gone onto a new server, started a bard, have only accepted a few items for her, even though she is a hot diva and all, every guy wants her to sing a love song for them, I have started her out not getting PL. She is now 18 in 11 hours and 35 minutes of playing. Just played her this morning and did a /played and that's where she is so far. Not too bad for relying mostly on the songs that we get. I have gone with an occasional Temp in the last few levels, but it all depends what your definition of PL is. I think spells are awesome, the longer they last the better, but everything almost that has been charity to me I have put on my trader. People have looked at my gear and said hey, you're in need of a hook up girl!!! hehe...and they don't understand when I don't gear it all up, but I think it's so far so good if you ask me. Has anyone else taken the steppy challenge? It's hard, uncomfortable to run in an unfamiliar server where I haven't got the fanclub I do on saryrn, but I still stand by my words, the power of our class is definitely on our ability to do the Twist and Shout!!! Filo
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  • 03-15-2004 1:04 PM In reply to

    • Mithrus
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    Ok, I'll add some nostalgia, too:) I started just after Kunark came out, and I was using the store bought instruments for a LONG time. I recall longing to get my hands on a Gypsy lute, and I was so happy when I finally completed the tamborine quest. I think I ran around FV for 5 mins... Many levels later, in my early 50s, I was still using that tamborine, and having extreme envy for those with Selo's Drums of the March. THen I got a lucky break, I saw Walrus Drums in the Bazaar for 300pp!! Being perpetually poor, it took a while to get that cash, but it was worth it. This is long before I got my epic. I stayed at 52 for some time, attending Vox/Naggy raids as often as I could. One time, there were no less than 10!! bards on one naggy raid. I'm thinking, great, this time a drum with drop for sure, and I stink at /random. Sure enough, 1 drum drops. All bards are asked to roll...I roll something like 5000ish out of 32k...not encouraging...Ok, I anxiously wait for the next bard to roll...and I wait...??? Out of the 10 bards there, *I* was the only bard without a Selo's Drum or better!! While I was excited about winning, I have to say I felt pretty sad too. This was my first solid dose of me realizing I'm living in a twinked out world. The next major upgrade was straight to a TDoK, bought for about 10kpp, which was literally several months worth of scrimping (ok, I can get 10k in a few days now, but I'm wiser:)) No more than 2 days after I get my TDoK, I get LDoN and guess what drops...Trueborn Drum of Dark Rites!! I'm thinking, wow, I didn't know they made new instruments for LDoN...I win by default. I check it out, and its the same mod as Selo's, which drops off a DRAGON!!, and it's primary equipable, with NICE stats.../sigh In any case, I have to agree wholeheartedly with Steppy. I was SO excited in finishing my lambent quests, getting my tamborine, and of course finishing my epic. Even finally getting a full set of PoHate armor (not a quest per se, but it took a lot of trips up there, even with me as often the only bard!). These are the memories I will cherish long after EQ is no more.
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  • 03-16-2004 11:45 AM In reply to

    • Filohuh
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    Re: Thunderous Drums of Karana

    I think mithrus finished this off just right. We are only going to get out of the game what we choose to hold on to, and feel the reward of what we put in it. True as it may be, players that don't try questing and going the poor route wont' get the same experience they could if they did it the ole school way. No doubt about that. My first lambent item was my boots, man I thought I had Air Jordans in the early 90's!!! WOOT!!! now, newbie bards have the whole set by lvl 2 or so. Such is life. Hopefully we can appreciate what we do in our growth with the game and let to each his own, not getting so grim and critical on those who choose ...well...a faster path of sorts. imho, lots of love to my fellow twist and shout'ers.... Filo ps started on a random server to see how it really is with no help or whatever, just you and your songs....man it really is hard. I forgot how hard it is to run around with yoru newb items and no friends to callon, no shared account to just borrow this or that. sigh. I really respect my senior players who started out 5 years ago the real old fashioned way...THEY EARNED IT!!!
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