EQDiva

To split up i room i use lull to pull i use a 0sec /con to pull. If your within line of sight and facing you and the mob does not agro on you if you con him he will agro on you. I found this little trick about 3 years ago and it has worked ever since. From what i can see its the lowest agro in the game to pull further away though bellows would be useful but i have done fine without it.

Really? I've never drawn aggro from conning mobs... I guess you have to be close, like near aggro range or in aggro range? Anyway, I'll have to try it out in LDoN. As for lulling mobs, I was doing a small guild riadette in PoS doing giants for the BoT keys for under 62s and saw that ROOM! OMG like 40 giants. SHEESH. It took two of us bards lulling to pull singles there, until they resisted my partner and he died because he was FM pulling and was OOM. Now THAT'S a LOT of mobs, hehe. Sorry just had to say it somewhere and this was as good as any :p Sinfonian

Yeah, I have NEVER in 3.5 years of playing drawn agro from conning a mob. You are the first person in all that time who's claimed to be able to do it, too. You're doing something besides conning if you're getting agro.

I agree with Steppy concerning the usefullness of AA bellow. It is great. There are many uses for it, and any bard who pulls will understand most of those uses in short order. Concerning conning mobs drawing aggro, however, I am not certain that this can be rejected out of hand. I recall reading something about this years ago on the monk or warrior boards. I did play around with it some. Most of the time I would say it doesn't work at all, but there are enough times it has "seemed" to work that I pause before I say this is just flat out wrong. It may be wrong. I don't know. My experience tells me that I can't say one way or the other. Drumm* * still without my sig now that eqdiva has moved from EZboards.

Also, you can be casting one song and click bellow while casting without interrupting. This means you can pull two mobs that aren't near each other simultaneously and that can be useful too.

Has this been fixed or is there some way around this? Cast hos and target a second mob, bellow on the new target and hos will land on the second target rather than the first. Or am I just dumb and you meant that you bellow right after the first one is hit with hos?

No I meant this sequence: 1 - Target first mob 2 - Start casting HOS 3 - Target second mob 4 - As HOS lands on the first mob, hit bellow on the second 5 - Pull 2 simultaneously And yes, there are times when I definitely WANT to do this intentionally which is why I suggested this method.

you cannot agro a mob by /con ...you can agro a mob via proximity. If you think you are aggroing a mob via /con then its an illusion. Aggro pulling can be very effective in certain situations but in LDoN it can be extremely painful. Why take the hit if you don't have to.

Got this AA two weeks ago, and I must say.. Can't believe I ever lived without it. It simply owns. I can pull so must faster it's not funny. Shaving 3sec off every pull really adds up. Plus its fun on raids to score critical blasts of (7), LOL. (Since you can click it while casting a song, I smack it every time it pops.. Just because I can /grin).

The most valuable use of this is in situations with moving targets, tagging off a monk, or tagging off your own fade. Trying to time where a mob will be in 3 seconds can lead to a miscalculation and an overpull. Knowing that the mob is in the right spot and being able to pull him THAT instant without waiting for a casting timer is golden.

Sin, on the hella pull in PoS, you can usually lull one to either side, pick the front guys first, and pull the middle, nets you only 2-3 mobs tops. If you get a train anyways, lull them while kiting, fade, let them start to walk back and can get them single then. Ed

My semi-educated guess as to why someone would be able to pull using /con is this: Have you ever noticed how sometimes, you can get into a mobs aggro range and if you back out (or run through) fast enough, it won't aggro? IT seems that aggro is only checked once every few seconds (or second or maybe tick, I don't know).. If you are not in aggro range when there's a check for aggro, nothing will happen. Some people swear that aggro is checked for once per tick and I once read a post from a monk who swore he could travel through entire zones just making sure he was out of aggro range every tick (with say.. a dot on himself to make sure when ticks happened). Now I know "reading a post somewhere on a board" doesn't exactly equal scientific proof, but there ya have it. So, if we assume that aggro isn't checked for constantly, then what a /con might do is "force" a check. I mean, you send info to the server basically going "Does this mob like me"? After which the server looks it up and goes "Gee golly, you're right, he does't like you at that!" and sends the mob after you. There's my theory, and I'm sticking to it. :)

The guy who posted about /con pulling is not, in fact, clinically insane. This method does work sometimes, in some zones. Nip over to Monkly Business, the guides forum, and check out the various guides on how to pull. Again, I repeat my standard mantra: the monks bust their asses researching and proving things. If they say it's true, it probably is. Consensus over there seems to be that it works in some zones but not in others. Maybe the server refresh theory is correct, I don't know. Regarding Bellow, the fact that you can use Bellow without stopping your song is huge. I use this all the time to position mezzed mobs, now that I'm using Morell, which doesn't have a push/pull component. Often on a two pull, I'll mez one mob down the hall a bit and bring the other into the camp. Once group has the main target under control, I will start mez, let it proceed a ways, then bellow at the mob. Bellow breaks mez, mob charges at me, mez lands shortly thereafter and mob stops. If I judge the timing well, I can usually park the mob in a convenient spot for debuffing & fighting.

The "Giants" in BoT are Mezzable - Sooo maybe they are not giants at all but really big dudes with nipple rings. Donella Virtuoso of Tholuxe Paells

homestly, it all depends on your playstyle. If you do not like to pull you surely do not need Bellow. But if you pull or tag, bellow is one of the best tools you have (beside lull and FM). first of all, its instant, means, if you are in a semisecure area, you dont waste 3 secs each mob pulling. speeds things up quite a bit. best example may be a roamer, instead of waiting until he is positioned right and other stuff is lulled at the right time, you just lull and press bellow when hes in position, no nifty 3sec ahead timing needed. another nice example is DA/bellow combo (though you wont need that often i guess). start to sing DA, just before its finished tag mob with bellow. you have your mob and are DAed and can bring it safe to group/raid. this is impossible with only songs. i dont regret one single % XP i spent for bellow, these days i would pay the twice amount. for me, its pullingtool Nr. 1.

I have used DA and Bellow in combo once -- pulling Emmerick Skyfury in the Agnarr encounter so I could kite him for a half a minute while people got set up. It works great, but sooner or later, the bard's gonna die anyway. The goal is later.