EQDiva

Very easy to get these for all your guild's bards and warriors! Echo of Nortlav... Very fast mini-raid/take down for a guild raid of 2 or 3 groups of 60s. Here's my experience with it. To get there... Run your folks through the Panieel stone in PoK, go into the city, right by the zoneline is a cliff group up 5 guildies, click your DA (60) song and have those five immediately jump, mid fall they will zone into the Hole and most of the time they will land right next to Echo of Nortlav in a big room with a pool and waterfall. Sometimes they during the fall and DA wears off and they die. Good news is Clerics get DA and can jump down ahead of folks and rez if needed. I've done this 4 times and died half the time due to lag. If you and your raid stay near the pool's edge, nothing should aggro you. Nortlav won't aggro til attacked. If you do get attacked, it's normally a gargoyle or two and a partial raid force can easily dispatch them. Careful of playing AoE mana near the walls as I aggro'd mobs that way. They come through a hidden door. Ok for Nortlav, he's level 51 with wimpy hps, and ALWAYS drops the red scale and a cool Erudite SK only weapon. That's the good news. Bad news is he has a wicked 1500 pt lifetap that he procs regularly. That not only drains cleric's mana but heals himself something fierce. That calls for quick fights so DPS is good here. When we've succeeded, we've taken him down in less than 1 min. Longer and we wipe. He's doable for longer times but it may be harder. I like having a Pally tank to use their Sanct disc and have a couple chanters there to chain rune the MA. Otherwise, just KEEL. Lastly, bring porters, it's not fun getting out without one. When I got mine, I offered to sacrifice my druid by jumping in, getting a rez and porting folks out. Bring a porter/TLer hehe. This encounter is IMHO much easier than some of the other ways to get the red scale because he's static, and reliable. He's on a 6 hour respawn. We've done him twice in one day before. Just camp a mule in that open space, log him on and if he's up, go take him down. Hehe I have a Erudite SK sitting there to check and next time we take him down, he's getting twinked with a cool sword... GL getting your scales! Sinfonian

To get there... Run your folks through the Panieel stone in PoK, go into the city, right by the zoneline is a cliff group up 5 guildies, click your DA (60) song and have those five immediately jump, mid fall they will zone into the Hole and most of the time they will land right next to Echo of Nortlav in a big room with a pool and waterfall. Sometimes they during the fall and DA wears off and they die. Good news is Clerics get DA and can jump down ahead of folks and rez if needed. I've done this 4 times and died half the time due to lag

Is this a difference entrance into the Hole than the climbing through the rock area by the entrance to the Warrens? I will have to look into this further.

Yes, to go this way DO NOT go into the Hole via the door. Before you get to the courtyard newbie area in Panieel, there is a cliff ledge right by the tunnel to the newbie area. That's the one you jump off of. Hehe it only looks like suicide if you do things right (DA). :D Not that you can't get there going through the door, but it is MUCH harder and longer to fight your way through the entire zone, getting lost and maybe doing a painful CR. This way it's a very quick in quick out mini-raid you can do every 6 hours for all your guild's bards and warriors! Sinfonian

were on this map is it? Paineel bards get DA at 60 yes? how deep is this without jumping in if you hit the hole though the door?

On EQ Atlas map, the jump point is about pos 775 pos 200. Yes, DA is a group 18 second invunerability song that is level 60. If you decide to go through the door, it is basicaly to the bottom. Even if you DON"T have a 60 bard, it's best IMHO to DA your clerics and pallies to go down and clear any possible mobs there (I haven't seen any unless you aggro them through the walls), then suicide the rest of your raid and rez them all. Adds a bit of time to the mix, but MUCH faster than going through the door. Sinfonian

where it says "the pit"

If only I read this sooner :( . Spent 10k on a Red Dragonscale, and since I didn't want to start a raid group to kill Vox, and couldn't kill Gorenaire with the people helping me, I also had to spend 29k on White Dragonscale. Anyways, thanks for the info on the scale :D

Which Server are you? - gulp - have never seen any of the scales for more than 7k pp in the Bazaar of Kael Drakkel-server.

On my server (Morrell Thule), reds go for 15-25k, and whites go for 30-40k. Reds go that high because warriors need them too, and whites due to the difficulty getting it. Then again every server economy is different. Sinfonian

Sadly that's about the same on Fennin. I have been hoping to see a price drop, but unlikely with them being farmed. Each day I log in and see the same vendor selling: White Dragon Scales (4) - 32000 So nice people profit off of other's needs. Granted, that's life, but I wish they'd make this stuff No Drop, Non-MQable so people would just get it because they need it, not to bank off it. I take it this area is now much safer now that Yael is gone (is gone right?)? I missed a lot of changes by being gone from game in the last year.

Wow those scales are cheap. When I was getting my epic the RDS was 20 to 30k and the WDS was up to 80k. Now a days I think they have gone down a bit. RDS is around 10 to 20k and the WDS is around 40k.

When I left a year ago, they were 6k for red and 15k for white. There weren't many items for sale for more than 20k that I remember and I certainly didn't have a ton of cash at the time. I did manage to get a tinker mask for 15k before they shut down sleepers (Hey, I thought I'd get lucky with white scales at the time). Glad I bought the mask when I did, because I never see em for sale anymore. Don't think many people want to give up their mask now that they don't drop. Hopefully I'll get lucky with a Tal or Gore raid in the near future, or I'll just save up and buy the scales outright. Still need Phinny and Drolvarg skull, so in no rush at the moment.

I was told I would die if I jumped off the ledge, and that the DA song only absobs 10K of dmg. The pit is a 20K drop. Tell me different please.

From what I understand..... The DA song is not a rune, its invulnerability for 18 secs, so it absorbs all damage for that time.

Folks! This Newb Bard I know (ok ok so it's me already) had Lev up when I took a wrong turn at Alberquerque. I was doing the slow man's journey to Gunthak. Once it said Entering Old Paineel I knew I was in trouble. It felt like I fell forever, but surprisingly survived the crash. No DA folks, I had simply clicked my SS boots before taking the bad turn. I actually sat and healed by this Nortlav character then went and proceeded to see if I could find a way out. BAM got jumped by some nasty gargoyles who pummeled me in seconds. I had a guildmate on who had his pocket SK nearby. Got a couple of coffins and we went in through the crack in the wall (that was fun). Zoned in to find a group at the entrance battling away. He summoned my corpse (a Necro friend told me it could not be done and that I'd have to petition) and away we went. I will never go down that route again, but the interesting bit is I survived when I should have. Go figure. Wiladancer Eversing from Torv