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Looking at [url="http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=10437&source=Live"]this[/url] songs details, I'm not sure when I would use it. Does anyone know whether the total of 540 HP mitigated is per tick, or over the full 9 seconds (+3 recast, so 12 effective) of the song? If the former I can see that there are some circumstances where I might twist it in, but not I think for the latter. Thank you

It's max of 540 for the song's duration. It's a regular song in my twist... mitigating 7% off the top of each hit is roughly the equivalent of 150 AC (situationally, but that's a decent average) that ignores the soft cap.

I also have it loaded in my group twists. Any little bit helps IMHO :) Melodymaker The Tribunal

Just recently been duoing with a cleric. Just the 2 of us. This song + defensive refrain is the difference between the cleric chaining CH all through the fight on 2.5k hitters or using splash heals and worrying about mana. Maybe I /could/ get away with just defensive refrain but when there's mobs hitting for a huge amount, I prefer to shave every bit of damage off me as possible and this will make the twist. Not often I tank, and not common I'd use this in a group environment, but if the situation calls for it, sure. Raids I must admit I've not gotten around to using it that much yet. All depends on class turnup for the raid, but I'd not be adverse against it, especially on 'non-ds' fights where PoV can't be used.

I use it extensively in DPS groups that need to take or are at risk from, occasional aoe rampage. I also use it in groups where the tank has lesser than optimum worn AC and/or defensive mitigation aa's. I always have it on in raid grps when I'm assigned to help mitigate the raid tank's or secondary assist's. Since this stacks with Niv's Harmonic, I estimate it adds around 250 ac to the grp with both on.

I use it in single groups if the tank's grasping slightly over his level.. Or on raids when in MT group and AE mana is taken care of.

 being in a guild with basically 3 bards we always have a full line up of songs and this song just doesnt make it into the tank group, the 540 damage doesnt last long enough for it to be worth it, but in group situations this song is excellent when working with a non-plate tank, helps to even out the amount of damage sspikes in the hits so that the clerics have an easier time healing :)

It's one I'll throw into my lineup on non-DS fights like Vish and Redfang, and even then only if other major functions are covered (HoS, Mana, etc).  Grouping and soloing...  AC will take a bigger chunk off damage received than the 7% rune, but it is something extra you can throw in on top of AC. 

It's in my spellset lists I call "default" and "tankgroup", so I use it a lot.

I just found a copy of Rk. II for sale in the Bazaar for 500p... I'd never seen one before anywhere, so I was really really happy.

 

I think Dryads dont stack with Cleric Aura - Aura of Pious (3% without dmg reduce limit)

So in case you group/raid with a cleric dyrads is only 4% more (7% - 3 %) and 

maybe on heavy hitters 3% is more than 7% with dmg  reduce limit) 

Duoing with bard/Clr I dont use dyrads (I only use it if no Clr or Clrs witout Aura) 

 

But maybe i am wrong with this stacking issue (my info is from Lucy)

 

 

 

Laksmi:

So in case you group/raid with a cleric dyrads is only 4% more (7% - 3 %) and 

maybe on heavy hitters 3% is more than 7% with dmg  reduce limit)

 

Even if they don't stack...  3% is never greater than 7%...  You'd have the 7% of Dryad until the damage limit was reached, and then the Aura (which is a constant effect) would be the highest mod and you'd have 3% until you refreshed Dryad.  Couple that with the fact that clerics are usually as far away from the tank as possible so their aura won't be hitting the tank. 

3% without cap could, in fact, be greater than 7% with cap.  If the mob hits hard enough, the cap on the 7% could be reached in one hit.  And on that one hard hit the limitless 3% might actually block more damage. 

 Purely theoretical, of course.  Haven't done the math to figure out how hard such a single hit would have to be and if a current-day end-game EQ tank could actually survive it.

 

That aside, there is always the possibly that the 3% absorbs more damage than cap on the 7%...  Faster than the song can refresh.  But, yea, Clerics are usually too far away for any of this to matter.

keiz:

3% without cap could, in fact, be greater than 7% with cap.  If the mob hits hard enough, the cap on the 7% could be reached in one hit.  And on that one hard hit the limitless 3% might actually block more damage.

 

That raises an interesting point...  if a hit absorbs the entire Dryad rune, will the remainder of that hit be mitigated by the 3% cleric rune?

The hit wouldn't have to be particularly high, if, say, 535 (cap is 540?) damage had already been absorbed, the next hit would finish off the rune and wouldn't have to be particularly high.

In order to have more overall benefit from the 3% rune than a full Dryad, a single hit would have to be 18k.

Trebla:

  It's max of 540 for the song's duration.

 

Dryads II is 7% with dmg cap 563 -  9sec recast - 3 ticks (18sec) Duration

You have to receive over  8043 dmg while the song is running to be over the dmg cap (7% of 8043 = 563)

If you normally twist 4 Songs you renew it after 15 sec (fastest would be 12 sec because recast is 9 sec)

-> if your mob is > 536 dps Dyrad is absobing less than 7%  (8043dmg / 15sec)

 

I think 536 dps is a low group, bigger duo mob (with my equipment).

But you are right it depends, if your cleric is near the mob. 

 

 

 

 

Laksmi:

You have to receive over  8043 dmg while the song is running to be over the dmg cap (7% of 8043 = 563)

 

 I think i caused some confusion.  18k was roughly the breakover point of when 3% no-cap rune would absorb more than Dryad.

 For instance 15k of damage would have 563 absorbed by Dryad, while it would have 450 absorbed by cleric aura.

If they stack and the cleric aura takes over as soon as Dryad drops (which it does) then that simply mitigates Dryad to basically being a 4% rune with a cap of 321.